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Subject:What "Royalty Free" means Posted by: Jessariah Date:5/28/2002 7:18:25 AM Hey, I was just in a message board argument (not here) with someone who was ticked because they heard one of the loops -- from a library they made and sold -- in a local commercial. I was trying to explain to this person that he got his money when he sold his library CD, and as long as his loop is part of a "new creation," it's not illegal. Check me if I'm wrong here -- especially since I own a Production company and plan to use loops in scoring videos -- but it is my understanding that we can use loops to create music beds for TV, radio, etc. and use them commercially. Obviously, it is illegal for me to sell a Bill Laswell loop on a CD, but I can use a Bill Laswell loop as part of piece that I use as a theme in an industrial that I sell to someone else. Yes? Also, along these lines...it's still within our permission to make songs and music beds with loops and sell them as stand alone compositions, right?
Subject:RE: What Reply by: Spirit Date:5/28/2002 7:49:45 AM Loop CDs almost always come with a "royalty free" notice. Those that don't - well, who are they for ? Just home users ? Or is the company hoping to catch someone using them commercially and then sue ? This person you were arguing with sounds a bit odd... Perhaps you could ask them exactly how they expect their loops to be used. I'd be chuffed and interested to hear how someone else used my raw materials...
Subject:RE: What Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:5/28/2002 9:07:25 AM I work with production companies day in and day out with my voiceover company. Royalty Free means just that - a piece a music (loop) can be used in any context without further compensation to the creator(s). This is the same as the term "buy-out". Some libraries from some companies require a complicated payment scheme - depends on the company and on the library. Some companies here in Canada have wonderful depth in music beds but usage of those beds in any context has a price schedule (very expensive in some cases). So the bottom line is - get the green light on whether or not the loop is "buy-out" or royalty free before use. Cheers, Cuzin B
Subject:RE: What Reply by: Jessariah Date:5/28/2002 9:36:31 AM That's what I was telling this guy. If you're buying music with "needle drop" payments, etc. that's one thing. But it would not make much sense to sell a "producer's pack" of loops, then complain when the producer uses it in a film or TV ad. I'm currently working on a loop library, and I certainly won't throw a fit if I hear one of my loops used in someone's production.
Subject:RE: What Reply by: Vocalpoint Date:5/28/2002 10:37:04 AM Let me know when your library is coming out. I am always on the hunt for new grooves. Cheers, Cuzin B

Subject:What "Royalty Free" means

Posted by: Jessariah

Date:5/28/2002 7:18:25 AM

Hey,

I was just in a message board argument (not here) with someone who was ticked because they heard one of the loops -- from a library they made and sold -- in a local commercial. I was trying to explain to this person that he got his money when he sold his library CD, and as long as his loop is part of a "new creation," it's not illegal.

Check me if I'm wrong here -- especially since I own a Production company and plan to use loops in scoring videos -- but it is my understanding that we can use loops to create music beds for TV, radio, etc. and use them commercially. Obviously, it is illegal for me to sell a Bill Laswell loop on a CD, but I can use a Bill Laswell loop as part of piece that I use as a theme in an industrial that I sell to someone else. Yes?

Also, along these lines...it's still within our permission to make songs and music beds with loops and sell them as stand alone compositions, right?

Subject:RE: What

Reply by: Spirit

Date:5/28/2002 7:49:45 AM

Loop CDs almost always come with a "royalty free" notice. Those that don't - well, who are they for ? Just home users ? Or is the company hoping to catch someone using them commercially and then sue ? This person you were arguing with sounds a bit odd... Perhaps you could ask them exactly how they expect their loops to be used.

I'd be chuffed and interested to hear how someone else used my raw materials...

Subject:RE: What

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:5/28/2002 9:07:25 AM

I work with production companies day in and day out with my voiceover company. Royalty Free means just that - a piece a music (loop) can be used in any context without further compensation to the creator(s). This is the same as the term "buy-out".

Some libraries from some companies require a complicated payment scheme - depends on the company and on the library. Some companies here in Canada have wonderful depth in music beds but usage of those beds in any context has a price schedule (very expensive in some cases).

So the bottom line is - get the green light on whether or not the loop is "buy-out" or royalty free before use.

Cheers,

Cuzin B

Subject:RE: What

Reply by: Jessariah

Date:5/28/2002 9:36:31 AM

That's what I was telling this guy. If you're buying music with "needle drop" payments, etc. that's one thing. But it would not make much sense to sell a "producer's pack" of loops, then complain when the producer uses it in a film or TV ad. I'm currently working on a loop library, and I certainly won't throw a fit if I hear one of my loops used in someone's production.

Subject:RE: What

Reply by: Vocalpoint

Date:5/28/2002 10:37:04 AM

Let me know when your library is coming out. I am always on the hunt for new grooves.

Cheers,

Cuzin B