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Subject:Effects, VSTis and BPM
Posted by: Spirit
Date:7/31/2002 11:01:51 AM
Although the AcidPro4 beta is probably only a couple of weeks off, I'd like to speculate on some other (non-Rewire) aspects: - Will SoFo include any VSTi instruments ? Sonar comes bundled with a few including the excellent DR008 drum sampler. - Will the effect package get an update ? The SoFo effects are pretty good but are severely hampered by the lack of a BPM rate. Most VSTi effects are described in terms of BPM, and many now auto-sync to tempo. This would be a good feature. - Will there by any special drum programming grid or feature ? - Will you be able to render external synth MIDI tracks to wav via ASIO ? Well, I suppose we'll know the answers soon enough, but in the meantime . . . |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: ATP
Date:7/31/2002 11:16:45 AM
i'm guessing ACID 4 comes with some VSTi's at least. i would feel cheated if i bought ACID and i can't use the VSTi feature because i don't have any. and then i'd have to shell out more money in order to use VSTi's. so i'm sure they have included some. good point. a bpm rate on effects would be very nice. especially for delays and such. nothing more irritating than having to adjust the timing by miliseconds in order to get the delay on the beat. i vote a big YES for bpm controlled effects. :) however, i think that's not really in ACID's control, it depends on the creators of the VSTi. if the VSTi delay doesn't have bpm control, then how can ACID make sure it works that way? drum grids would be very practical. i'm thinking Cubase here, which has a special drum track feature, just for this purpose. would be nice to see this in ACID. i would assume it's possible to render external synth / VSTi sounds to wav. seems like such a basic feature it'd be dumb not to include it. what i'd like to know is, if i save a song in ACID, will it remember every setting i made in VSTi's i used? i hope it does, otherwise you'd have to go to all the trouble of creating hundreds of presets for every song, and loading them up all the time... another thing i hope they included is the ability to make a Track Folder or something and put several tracks in it. that way you can for example put all your drum tracks in this track folder, and apply an effect to this folder, which would change every track in this folder simultaneously. i guess i'm a bit late with requesting stuff tho. ;) |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: Spirit
Date:7/31/2002 11:23:51 AM
I requested the track folder - and I'm sure others would have too ! Regarding the effects BPM: I'm thinking of a SoFo update its included effects suite. And good point re VSTi settings - hopefully it does save them . . . |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: spesimen
Date:7/31/2002 1:22:41 PM
>> drum grids would be very practical. i agree. not all loop-oriented musicians make dance music but i'd be willing to be that a significant number of them do. editing drums from a piano roll where you have to switch tools between draw and erase and all that is a p.i.t.a. to say the least. part of the reason why apps like fruity and reason are very popular - it's quick and easy to make intricate patterns with different velocity hits and everything.. anyway we'll see, i'm quite interested to check out how SF does their midi support.... |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: pwppch
Date:7/31/2002 1:45:45 PM
It is very important that you understand ACID is supporting VST Instruments. ACID 4 will not support VST effects. Peter |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: pwppch
Date:7/31/2002 1:54:07 PM
>>drum grids would be very practical. i'm thinking Cubase here, which has a special drum track feature, just for this purpose. would be nice to see this in ACID. << ACID 4 will have a piano roll editor and list editor. There is no drum specific editor. The nice part about ACID is that it supports the OPT plug in standard. This means that a drum grid editor can be created seperately from ACID and just be used to edit in this mode. Have a look here for some more details about OPT. http://www.yamahasynth.com/pro/opt/index.html >i would assume it's possible to render external synth / VSTi sounds to wav. seems like such a basic feature it'd be dumb not to include it. < Rendering throuh VSTi will absolutely be available. As far as rendering external synths, this is not really up to ACID. You can always record the output of an external synth into ACID, but we don't offer a one click solution to do this. I mean how would you accomplish this? We have no idea how things are routed externally. I also don't see how ASIO has anything to do with external synths. >what i'd like to know is, if i save a song in ACID, will it remember every setting i made in VSTi's i used? i hope it does, otherwise you'd have to go to all the trouble of creating hundreds of presets for every song, and loading them up all the time... < Absolutely - assuming the VSTi has the ability to save and load settings. >another thing i hope they included is the ability to make a Track Folder or something and put several tracks in it. that way you can for example put all your drum tracks in this track folder, and apply an effect to this folder, which would change every track in this folder simultaneously. < Nothing like a track folder as you describe. You can always set up a sub bus and route all of your "drums" or whatever to the sub bus. You can then add effects to the sub bus so that all routed tracks will receive the same fx. With the bus track feature you can then automate any autoamatable FX as well as control Volume/gain of the bus. Peter |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: spesimen
Date:7/31/2002 2:13:59 PM
>>Open Plug-In Technology Views >>Provides support for client track/event access. >>Typically allows sophisticated MIDI edit views to be >>created (e.g. List editors, Auto Accompaniment etc). Okay, that is *#*@$ awesome!!!! edit: okay, it's potentially awesome. i wish yamaha had more sdk stuff online instead of in a secretive lab you have to get via email, and i can't seem to locate any OPT plugs other than their motif editor. is it using some sort of mfc template classes to create them or something else? are there more opt plugs available online somewhere? i will say this - the prospect of being able to roll my own custom interface for grid editing and then have all the complicated audio/timing/midi support stuff handled under the hood is probably about the greatest thing i've heard in ages!! |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: ATP
Date:7/31/2002 3:50:59 PM
big thumbs up for the explanations, Peter. OPT sounds actually very interesting. i can't wait to try all the new features out. :) |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:7/31/2002 4:22:26 PM
Thanks Peter! for the info, We are REALLY looking forward to Acid 4.0 George Ware |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: Spirit
Date:7/31/2002 7:20:30 PM
Sounds good. On the "rendering external synths" question I suppose I'm thinking about an equivalent to how this can be done with VST via ASIO. Basically you record the MIDI part of an external synth, then arm an audio track for recording. The external synths audio is brought into the app via ASIO and recorded according to the MIDI pattern. Is that clear ? My guess is that this will be possible anyway. |
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Subject:RE: A Star is slumming!
Reply by: waynegee
Date:7/31/2002 8:35:39 PM
George!!! Is that you in the new Waves plug-in ads??!?!?!? |
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Subject:RE: Effects, VSTis and BPM
Reply by: pwppch
Date:8/1/2002 1:18:46 AM
YOu can do that today. ASIO doesn't even come into play. You can do this with MME drivers. Peter |
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Subject:RE: A Star is slumming!
Reply by: pwppch
Date:8/1/2002 1:19:11 AM
Don't feed his ego! Peter |
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Subject:RE: A Star is slumming!
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:8/1/2002 9:31:10 AM
Now Peter You've been talking to my guy's They're player-haters! George BTW good one Peter ya drop-kicked on that one |
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Subject:RE: A Star is slumming!
Reply by: MacMoney
Date:8/1/2002 10:42:22 AM
Don't feed his ego! Peter See Peter know's him (LOL) that's what im talking about!!! Ron Jones & Billy Townes |