Subject:AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Posted by: metro_electro

Date:9/9/2002 11:49:04 AM

Hey everyone!

Two questions:

1) I have Native Instruments Battery as my Drum VSTi. I've recorded some hi hat parts through my Octapad to Acid. How can I "overdub" parts to the same midi file? I'd like to add a kick and percussions to the same file but I can't seem to find a place to do this. I would prefer to play the parts live and not have to paint all the parts and paramaters into the file.

2) I've also recorded a synth VSTi. Can I record cutoff, resonance, etc changes into the recorded midi file? Again - I'm not sure where to do it, or for that matter, whether I can do it at all.

Thanks!

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:9/9/2002 2:44:17 PM

1) I'd suggest maybe opening the properties of the track and do a copy and paste operation under the Piano Roll Editor. You could alternatively bounce everything down using CTRL+M, but that will turn your MIDI into digital audio. (It will leave your original tracks alone, of course.)

Remember that ACID originally worked with just digital audio; there was no MIDI to speak of in earlier versions (other than MIDI sync features). As such, that mindset still exists.

2) I would say probably an external MIDI controller to do that (like the Oxygen8 from M-Audio, which has assignable knobs), but I'm no MIDI expert on the issue.

HTH,
Iacobus

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:9/9/2002 3:00:10 PM

Metro,

To supplement mD's post, check this thread for tips/suggestions/workarounds for bouncing MIDI tracks and automating FX.

- Nick

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: ATP

Date:9/9/2002 3:56:37 PM

1) good question. i don't think mD's suggestion of copy and paste will work, as you still won't have the kicks and the snares in there.

EDIT : just read the thread about bouncing midi. so apparently it is possible (apologies mD :)). but as has been stated, it'll be audio.

in cubase, when you record a piece of midi, and then record into the piece you just recorded using overdub, you can add midi information to the existing file.

the problem with ACID is that once the midi is recorded it treats it like an audio file. there's no way to add audio to an existing audio file.

so, i'm afraid you'll either have to draw the parts in, or make a new recording and thus have your drum section divided over 2 channels.

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:9/9/2002 4:04:11 PM

Not quite ATP. Read ibliss's post in the thread I mentioned. Using the VMR, you can loop the data into a new track, which effeectively bounces MIDI to MIDI.

- Nick

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: ATP

Date:9/9/2002 4:12:55 PM

just read it. it's a bit of a workaround, but it's a way.

i stand corrected. :)

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: metro_electro

Date:9/10/2002 10:41:45 AM

Superb post nlamartina!

I probably should have done a search for that post first. Okay - so now I get MOST of it. Just to be clear though: Once you've recorded note data, you now want to record the controller data. When you are actually recording the controller data, how do you hear the changes to the note data? I understand that the first midi recording is already in the project. It will play back with everything else. What is the 'controller data' recording routed to (both during the actual recording stage and during playback)? A duplicate of the original VSTi or the midi router or...?

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: nlamartina

Date:9/10/2002 11:46:23 AM

I understand that the first midi recording is already in the project. It will play back with everything else.

Correct. It will be routed to the VSTi it was recorded on. Thus, it will play back while you're recording a new track, even when you're using the same instrument (this is key).

What is the 'controller data' recording routed to (both during the actual recording stage and during playback)? A duplicate of the original VSTi or the midi router or...?

When you're recording controller data (via tweaking around with the knobs), your controller MIDI port should be the input, with the same VSTi selected as the thru input, just the same way you recorded note data. This way, as your original track "plays" the instrument, you "tweak" it. It's like overdub, sorta. The new file that is created is your automation track, and as long as it's routed to the VSTi in question, everything will automate perfectly. Now if you opened up another copy, and tried it that way, your original note track wouldn't "play" for you, and thus tweaking knobs would yield no results. Follow okay? If you need any more clarification, don't hesitate to write.

Regards,
Nick

Subject:RE: AP 4.0 : Midi question (s)

Reply by: metro_electro

Date:9/10/2002 1:14:05 PM

I see.

So the key is to route it 'thru' the SAME VSTi. Super. I'll give that a go and see what happens. Thanks!