Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse? -ACID Product Family

Subject:Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse? Posted by: dkistner Date:9/19/2002 10:55:21 AM I've set up some pulse settings in SuperConductor, which export basically as tempo changes in a midi file. (Say you've got four quarter notes; the first and third might be at 98.0 and the second and fourth might be at 98.4, repeating throughout the track, with possible pulse "resets" along the way.) A pulse can add considerable energy and personality to a piece of music and is something I want to be able to retain, even though I've gotten frustrated that SC's really showing its age. I'm wondering if there's any way to import a midi track with those pulsed-tempo settings, then add in non-pulsed (even-tempo) midi tracks of the same length to the project...and QUICKLY transfer the tempo changes from the pulsed track to the other midi tracks. Please don't tell me I have to edit it all by hand. I shudder at the thought. If Acid can't do this, but there's a midi utility I could effect the changes with prior to bringing the midis into Acid, please clue me in as to what it might be! And if there's no way to do this, I hope a "copy track tempo to all tracks" or "apply track X tempo to the project" feature (that also works on midi) will one day be added to Acid. Rendering pulsed waves is, of course, the ultimate goal here; it doesn't matter much if I don't have hard-coded midis to save out as long as it doesn't screw up in the VSTs.
Subject:RE: Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse? Reply by: Maruuk Date:9/19/2002 2:58:37 PM 4.0 has no pulse. It was DOA. We had to pull the plug. Are you family?
Subject:RE: Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse? Reply by: Jacose Date:9/19/2002 3:42:13 PM maruuk... lol ..... I dont think Acid's Tempo and key sig changes are triggered by MID, so htat wouldnt work.. I think they should come out with some cooler way to manipulate the tempo tho, like cubase's Tempo Map.
Subject:RE: Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse? Reply by: dkistner Date:9/20/2002 7:44:03 PM Maruuk...no, not family, but I'm ordained minister so they ought to let me in. ;) Jacose, re the tempo controlled from midi...I need to listen carefully again, but I was pretty sure the tempo was being changed by tempo changes in the midi file. At least SOMETHING is being changed...or maybe I'm hallucinating. I'm not a midi programmer by any stretch, and I confess the first time I really got into what midi code looks like was when I tried out 4.0's list editor. And there were all those predictable pulse-looking tempo changes. If midi-controlled tempo changes ARE read by Acid (and I could see why the program would want to ignore them, given everything else it has to do), I wonder how they'd affect time-stretching. See, I haven't done any of that at all yet. I'm just pulling in compositions as one-shots, then getting them to the rendering stage with VSTi and FX stuff. I separate out my channels to separate tracks first, though.

Subject:Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse?

Posted by: dkistner

Date:9/19/2002 10:55:21 AM

I've set up some pulse settings in SuperConductor, which export basically as tempo changes in a midi file. (Say you've got four quarter notes; the first and third might be at 98.0 and the second and fourth might be at 98.4, repeating throughout the track, with possible pulse "resets" along the way.) A pulse can add considerable energy and personality to a piece of music and is something I want to be able to retain, even though I've gotten frustrated that SC's really showing its age.

I'm wondering if there's any way to import a midi track with those pulsed-tempo settings, then add in non-pulsed (even-tempo) midi tracks of the same length to the project...and QUICKLY transfer the tempo changes from the pulsed track to the other midi tracks.

Please don't tell me I have to edit it all by hand. I shudder at the thought. If Acid can't do this, but there's a midi utility I could effect the changes with prior to bringing the midis into Acid, please clue me in as to what it might be!

And if there's no way to do this, I hope a "copy track tempo to all tracks" or "apply track X tempo to the project" feature (that also works on midi) will one day be added to Acid. Rendering pulsed waves is, of course, the ultimate goal here; it doesn't matter much if I don't have hard-coded midis to save out as long as it doesn't screw up in the VSTs.

Subject:RE: Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse?

Reply by: Maruuk

Date:9/19/2002 2:58:37 PM

4.0 has no pulse. It was DOA. We had to pull the plug. Are you family?

Subject:RE: Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse?

Reply by: Jacose

Date:9/19/2002 3:42:13 PM

maruuk... lol .....

I dont think Acid's Tempo and key sig changes are triggered by MID, so htat wouldnt work.. I think they should come out with some cooler way to manipulate the tempo tho, like cubase's Tempo Map.

Subject:RE: Is there a midi/tempo trick to effect a pulse?

Reply by: dkistner

Date:9/20/2002 7:44:03 PM

Maruuk...no, not family, but I'm ordained minister so they ought to let me in. ;)

Jacose, re the tempo controlled from midi...I need to listen carefully again, but I was pretty sure the tempo was being changed by tempo changes in the midi file. At least SOMETHING is being changed...or maybe I'm hallucinating.

I'm not a midi programmer by any stretch, and I confess the first time I really got into what midi code looks like was when I tried out 4.0's list editor. And there were all those predictable pulse-looking tempo changes.

If midi-controlled tempo changes ARE read by Acid (and I could see why the program would want to ignore them, given everything else it has to do), I wonder how they'd affect time-stretching. See, I haven't done any of that at all yet. I'm just pulling in compositions as one-shots, then getting them to the rendering stage with VSTi and FX stuff. I separate out my channels to separate tracks first, though.