Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Posted by: fldave

Date:5/16/2007 8:16:36 PM

Cool! Thanks for the link. Looks like fun!

Edited: Yikes, just selected the first file to download, ~900MB.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: Fleshpainter

Date:5/17/2007 10:05:47 AM

Although a convert to the Goth scene, I've always held Ozzy’s music with the highest Regard. Such a challenge, although intriguing, would easily take up 60 - 80 hours of my time. It undoubtedly would be much fun to do, however, even if I were to win the concert tickets and toy camera, the gamble hardly seems achievable from a logistical standpoint. The footage isn't shot the way I would have shot it, it isn't lit the way I would have lighted it, and isn't composed the way I would have composed it.
The video shown HERE was unscripted, and shot under poor lighting, with no control over the event. Yet I was able to make something of it because of the context of what was going on. (a Goth-Night at a club) In Ozzy’s case, I would have to scramble to a acquire appropriate footage to key in behind him, all cleverly choreographed to neatly dovetail with what he has already provided... and all this before June 10th? I think it's going to be a lot of homemade amateur videos of kids on skateboards and BMX bikes.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: filmy

Date:5/17/2007 10:45:03 AM

Dude! Sweet!

No seriously.
But I don't see any link to the actual song. Is it just use the guide audio they shot with?

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: MUTTLEY

Date:5/17/2007 3:42:00 PM

Confused ... downloaded the DV50 file and when I open it in Vegas only get the audio track???

- Ray
www.undergroundplanet.com

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: [r]Evolution

Date:5/17/2007 4:45:45 PM

MUTTLEY - what if you open in your Media Player? Do you get the Audio & Video?

You may have to open it in another app and export something Vegas can use.
-seeing your past work... I'm sure you've got methods of working it out.

______________

- I can't believe the size of these files. I wonder how much bandwidth these guys are gonna use up with people downloading.
- I'm wondering what the difference is between the DV25 & DV50... if it's worth the extra download time & file size?
- I also wonder how many OZZY's are gonna start popping up on the net in places other than the contest?

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: MUTTLEY

Date:5/17/2007 5:48:35 PM

Wouldnt open in QT but the DV25 files work. Um, to show what a tard I am ... whats the difference?

- Ray
www.undergroundplanet.com

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/17/2007 6:53:57 PM

DV50 is DVCPro50 I believe? Matrox has a DVCPro50 codec, need to sign up for it (free, haven't installed it yet) but I think Panasonic came up with it?

I'll keep in touch with what works. I'm going to use the DV25 as "intermediates/proxies" for now.

Agree that the green screen quality isn't as good as I would hope. We'll see how that works.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/17/2007 8:15:04 PM

Matrox DV50 codec didn't work. GSpot says "unknown avi". I'll keep looking.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: MUTTLEY

Date:5/17/2007 10:39:32 PM

Wow, this green screen is gonna kill me, not sure I can make it clean with Chroma Keyer ... God knows I'm tryin!!!

- Ray
www.undergroundplanet.com

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/18/2007 5:02:25 AM

Well, it looks like the pros got the key to work, or they really dumbed it down for the contest.

The official video just released today:

http://www.headbangersblog.com/

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: [r]Evolution

Date:5/19/2007 7:44:15 PM

This is confusing to me...
- If the official video has already been released... what is this contest for?
- Where is the footage of the Bass Player?

I'm getting pretty good looking Keys of the DV25 footage w/ Vegas... better Keys w/ RED... and awesome Keys w/ Ultimatte. (I only have the trial of Ultimatte on my workstation though)

-What tools are you guys using to Pull your Keys?

I had to export .AVI's from QT Pro to get them to perform up to par in Vegas.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: blk_diesel

Date:5/19/2007 7:49:04 PM

Looks like Ozzy is looking for free service.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/19/2007 10:36:27 PM

Yeah, what a challenge!

Here are your project assets provided by us.

Give us free use of your assets forever.

Can you make a better video than we can?


Probably...

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: DrLumen

Date:5/20/2007 8:19:47 AM

If they would make the prize half-way decent this might not be a bad deal. I wonder how much was paid to have their release video made. I can gaurantee that post cost more than the $750 camera and 2 tickets.

Papa Roach did something similar recently. They didn't provide anything. You had to create it all and pay for the song download (or buy and rip the CD). Their prize was for the lowest end Macbook ($1100).

I think the record companies are just using this as a marketing gimick. Once the videos are submitted, they may not ever see the light of day. As to judging, it wouldn't surprise me if they just put them all in a hopper and draw one.

It's too bad these bands are trying to exploit their fans.

--Edit
At least Ozzy's is a pretty good tune and they don't expect you to go buy (or DL for those so inclined) the song.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: risce1

Date:5/20/2007 8:56:45 AM

2 tickets to the closest city near you,
not interested in entering the contest but ,,kinda cool to play with the greenscreen footage and check out their different shots.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: SeaJohn2

Date:5/20/2007 1:29:40 PM

Is there any way to get rid of the white x's on the green screen in Vegas?

What are they for? I assume more powerful editing tools can use them, but for what?

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: DonaldT

Date:5/20/2007 3:51:26 PM

I haven't seen the footage, but chances are the Xs are for tracking shots. Use these to track the move and then mask them out using the same tracking.

Dave T2

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: DrLumen

Date:5/20/2007 4:01:51 PM

I'm not sure of the term but they are 3d optical alignment marks. The key can follow those in a plane so you could have something like a forced perspective of a marble floor. The marks on the walls can be used for the same. I'm not sure of how to get rid of them. Unfortunately Vegas doesn't have a motion tracking plugin.

It is fun to tinker with though.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: Fleshpainter

Date:5/21/2007 2:40:35 AM

The one on the Headbanger website took some time to accomplish and required access to some serious background footage. Totally my style though. I found it inspiring.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: Avanti

Date:5/21/2007 1:39:33 PM

After putting all the tracks in-sync using the audio tracks supplied with each track, I noticed that the video on each track is not in-sync with each other. Most noticeably is cam3 and cam2 and cam6. Anybody else notice this? I'm not sure if I want to proceed with this project or not.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/21/2007 3:55:35 PM

Yes, there are some sound issues, like the drum track is out of synch with itself. That was the most obvious to me. I'll check the other's closer.

Edit: I'm not going to worry if I don't make the deadline. It's an interesting exercise in me using other people's keying footage.

Now, where is that footage of gargoyles from The Netherlands...

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: bStro

Date:5/21/2007 4:29:40 PM

I think that what Avanti means is that their movements are not consistent from one file to the next. Which is because each file is clearly a different take (as opposed to them doing one multi-camera take). So, no, their movements aren't going to match; Rock'n'roll doesn't follow a script! ;-)

This is what editing is all about, isn't it? Taking what you've been given and making it work. If their movements are inconsistent from one angle to the next angle that you want to use, then you find a better angle. Or, as Robert Rodriguez says, when nothing else works, cut to the dog! (Meaning, bring up the B roll.)

Rob

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: GlennChan

Date:5/21/2007 7:53:07 PM

1- It might be that the band is overpowering the playback system and thus going to their own beat (not in sync with the audio track).

2- Professionals shooting difficult greenscreen:
In some situations, the greenscreen footage will be particularly difficult. Greenscreen puppet shows will have puppeteers that are hard to key out. The pockets of shadows in their suits are noisy and difficult to key. As well, sometimes the puppets are reflective and will reflect the greenscreen... you manually track/roto that out. The puppeteers may also have some body part in front of the puppet... so you need to manually paint in the missing information (well you work off other frames). There can also be other reasons why a (professionally shot) key may take manual work fixing it.

An example:
http://optix.ca/images_to/reels/optix_before_afterreel.mov
Check the last breakdown.

3- The markers in the Ozzy footage are there so you can 3d track it with software like Boujou, Syntheyes, etc. Then you can stick a 3d set in there. I'm not sure why they used white instead of some other color that will key easily (i.e. yellow).

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: GlennChan

Date:5/21/2007 8:13:11 PM

Anyone get the Quicktime DV50s to open in your system?

The Raylight decoder doesn't seem to work for me, and it's really weird that the DV50 files are 1280x720 (I thought DV50 was limited to 720x___).

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/21/2007 8:30:38 PM

I tried the Matrox DV50 codec with no luck. I haven't tried the Mainconcept trial yet. Even if it works, it will put in a watermark, and I don't want to pay $400 for it.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: DrLumen

Date:5/21/2007 8:45:20 PM

DV25's were the only ones I could get to load...

I really like tinkering. There is an instant gratification when things start to come together. It's a helluva lot more fun than some other stuff.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: filmy

Date:5/24/2007 9:17:05 PM

>>>As well, sometimes the puppets are reflective and will reflect the greenscreen<<<

Or in this case nice shiny cymbols.

Subject:RE: Ozzy Osbourne video contest

Reply by: fldave

Date:5/24/2007 10:43:43 PM

Yes, the cymbals are difficult!