Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive -Sound Forge - PC

Subject:Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive Posted by: Gdame Date:12/9/2008 1:45:22 PM Hi I have been experiencing problems when trying to simply extract a track of audio from an audio CD on systems that have the Pioneer BDR-202 4x Blu-Ray writer optical drives. Due to the limited number of 5.25" bays on my systems, I only build with one multi-writer/reader optical drive these days. The newer i7 based system do not even include an IDE port. Has anyone experienced this problem? What was the fix? Thank you in advance. George
Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive Reply by: jackn2mpu Date:12/10/2008 5:25:17 AM Are you running Vista by any chance? I seem to remember Microsnot did some things with DRM so one can't do what you want to do. It may not be your hardware but the OS itself. Jack
Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive Reply by: Kilmatead Date:12/11/2008 1:12:35 AM "It may not be your hardware but the OS itself." It appears to be neither; SF itself seems to have emotional problems reading from Blue Ray drives. I have a BDR-202 as well, and SF is the only programme which doesn't feel like accessing files on it - though, oddly, it "recognizes that they are there." All other optical-drive-accessing applications have no trouble using it under Vista. Updating firmware didn't help (not that I expected it to), so there doesn't seem to be a simple "fix." Use another ripping application to extract files from it. EAC, Audacity, etc. work fine.
Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive Reply by: jackn2mpu Date:12/12/2008 6:11:31 AM What I meant was that one may be able to read (aka play) a cd track but not rip it from the disk due to DRM or if the copy-protection flag has been set. It might be Vista, it might even be in the firmware in the Blue Ray drive itself.
Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive Reply by: Kilmatead Date:12/12/2008 11:19:10 AM "It might be Vista, it might even be in the firmware in the Blue Ray drive itself." Except that I have never - I'll even repeat that - never, run across a CD that couldn't be ripped under Vista using EAC (and others) on this Blue Ray drive, which has been my main drive for well over a year (yes, I stupidly bought one when they were expensive). The DRM you reference is most likely the HDCP which is required for video hardware integration (the triumvirate Graphics card -> DVI cable -> Monitor compliance), mostly for those interested in HDMI video, etc., etc., etc. It would be generous to suggest that the use of BR for audio is even in it's infancy just yet - save by enthusiasts and technicians. HDCP does not apply to audio-only bog-standard CD's, much to Sony's chagrin, no doubt. Also, as far as I know (from a year's ownership and use), the HDCP DRM doesn't "kick in" except when BR media are used; pedestrian media are treated simply as what they are - pedestrian. Even normal DVD's can be serviced (ripped) without any special intervention. And, just out of interest, even if all the compliance measures of HDCP are not met by the system, it doesn't mean that something won't play - it just means that it won't be playing in HD. And, dare I say, it's not always easy to tell. It would be easier if it just failed, but it doesn't; it's just invisibly castrated instead. Like I said, no other application besides SF has a problem reading/ripping any audio from the BR drive. That says to me that Sony are either sloppy, paranoid, or just unaware that people would use a BR drive as a standard optical device, for legit purposes. (We'll avoid the rabbit hole of whether ripping for personal use is legit or not.) Video, on the other hand, is a different story. It is breakable, of course, as is anything - but generally beyond the scope of a normal user (which is the whole point), and the OP didn't mention it. Sorry to waffle, just trying to clarify things. Vista suffers enough (more or less) unwarranted bad press without people adding negative things they "seem to remember" to it. No offence. :)

Subject:Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive

Posted by: Gdame

Date:12/9/2008 1:45:22 PM

Hi I have been experiencing problems when trying to simply extract a track of audio from an audio CD on systems that have the Pioneer BDR-202 4x Blu-Ray writer optical drives. Due to the limited number of 5.25" bays on my systems, I only build with one multi-writer/reader optical drive these days. The newer i7 based system do not even include an IDE port.

Has anyone experienced this problem? What was the fix?

Thank you in advance.

George

Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:12/10/2008 5:25:17 AM

Are you running Vista by any chance? I seem to remember Microsnot did some things with DRM so one can't do what you want to do. It may not be your hardware but the OS itself.
Jack

Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive

Reply by: Kilmatead

Date:12/11/2008 1:12:35 AM

"It may not be your hardware but the OS itself."

It appears to be neither; SF itself seems to have emotional problems reading from Blue Ray drives. I have a BDR-202 as well, and SF is the only programme which doesn't feel like accessing files on it - though, oddly, it "recognizes that they are there."

All other optical-drive-accessing applications have no trouble using it under Vista.

Updating firmware didn't help (not that I expected it to), so there doesn't seem to be a simple "fix."

Use another ripping application to extract files from it. EAC, Audacity, etc. work fine.

Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive

Reply by: jackn2mpu

Date:12/12/2008 6:11:31 AM

What I meant was that one may be able to read (aka play) a cd track but not rip it from the disk due to DRM or if the copy-protection flag has been set. It might be Vista, it might even be in the firmware in the Blue Ray drive itself.

Subject:RE: Extracting Audio CD from SATA Blu-Ray Drive

Reply by: Kilmatead

Date:12/12/2008 11:19:10 AM

"It might be Vista, it might even be in the firmware in the Blue Ray drive itself."

Except that I have never - I'll even repeat that - never, run across a CD that couldn't be ripped under Vista using EAC (and others) on this Blue Ray drive, which has been my main drive for well over a year (yes, I stupidly bought one when they were expensive).

The DRM you reference is most likely the HDCP which is required for video hardware integration (the triumvirate Graphics card -> DVI cable -> Monitor compliance), mostly for those interested in HDMI video, etc., etc., etc. It would be generous to suggest that the use of BR for audio is even in it's infancy just yet - save by enthusiasts and technicians. HDCP does not apply to audio-only bog-standard CD's, much to Sony's chagrin, no doubt.

Also, as far as I know (from a year's ownership and use), the HDCP DRM doesn't "kick in" except when BR media are used; pedestrian media are treated simply as what they are - pedestrian. Even normal DVD's can be serviced (ripped) without any special intervention.

And, just out of interest, even if all the compliance measures of HDCP are not met by the system, it doesn't mean that something won't play - it just means that it won't be playing in HD. And, dare I say, it's not always easy to tell. It would be easier if it just failed, but it doesn't; it's just invisibly castrated instead.

Like I said, no other application besides SF has a problem reading/ripping any audio from the BR drive. That says to me that Sony are either sloppy, paranoid, or just unaware that people would use a BR drive as a standard optical device, for legit purposes. (We'll avoid the rabbit hole of whether ripping for personal use is legit or not.)

Video, on the other hand, is a different story. It is breakable, of course, as is anything - but generally beyond the scope of a normal user (which is the whole point), and the OP didn't mention it.

Sorry to waffle, just trying to clarify things. Vista suffers enough (more or less) unwarranted bad press without people adding negative things they "seem to remember" to it. No offence. :)