Subject:Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Posted by: DongleProtected

Date:6/13/2001 9:04:32 AM

I think it's a shame that Acid 3.0 is actually a downgrade in many respects. I've used Acid 2.0 for quite some time and have learned to use it by finding workarounds to reliable sync, timing, etc... I've tried the Acid 3.0 trial and it's sync functions are worse than on 2.0. What a shame! When will SF realise how pathetic the sync functions are on Acid and decide to integrate better functions by todays standards? When will we see sample accurate sync or VSTi integration??? Professionals demand the utmost in timing accuracy. I'm seeing SF taking the approach of catering to non-professionals with cheaper knock-off's of Acid, SoundForge, etc. Whenever I've seen companies take this approach in the past, they usually end up filing Chapter 11. PLEASE, Sonic Foundry, come back to us pro's who need your innovative minds that initially dreamed up Acid. Please follow up and give us the next step....

dp (dongle protected)

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: westside

Date:6/13/2001 12:45:08 PM

I second that.

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: Zacchino

Date:6/13/2001 3:47:55 PM

May your prayers be heard :)

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: spesimen

Date:6/14/2001 10:15:57 AM

i agree, i can't get it to sync at all with other stuff. it works, but it drifts like crazy.

i think i want rewire support the most. so far that's the only sample-accurate sync standard i've used that actually works like it's supposed to.. this whole business of faking midi ports and syncing that way is a total anachronism, especially since doing it sample-accurate is actually simpler math-wise..

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: aress

Date:6/14/2001 3:03:42 PM

i completely agree. sync is terrible, and unreliable!
fx buses should be pre/post. there should be groups. if u use allot of plugins, it chokes even on a P4 with 10000rpm scsi drives. this should be PRO and it isnt hasnt ever been. too bad this program is still in theory, the best for transmogrifing audio.

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: pwppch

Date:6/15/2001 3:29:41 PM

Assignable fx busses can be set up pre or post fader.

Right click on the multipurpose fader on a track and a menu will pop up.

Peter

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: aress

Date:6/15/2001 11:56:00 PM

thanks for the tip, have seen that choice yet. what about sync. in fact during the beta i complained many times about the poor frame accuracy thru mtc. if anyone has a recomendation for reliable sync, i would like to hear it.

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: DongleProtected

Date:6/17/2001 9:25:50 AM

aress,

Some will think I'm full of crap here, but I've found the most reliable Acid sync to be a SMPTE source instead of MTC. Let me clarify, I have 2 seperate PC's, one dedicated to Cubase VST/32/Reason/Rebirth and another for GigaStudio, Acid, Orion, WaveLab, etc... For my audio cards I have a MOTU2408 on the Cubase PC and on the Acid machine I have an EgoSys WamiRack24 and a SBLive. I route the SPDIF out of the SBLive into the Wami and use the onboard sample rate converter to make everything 44.1K. I also use an Aardvark AardsyncII for sending word clock to everything. OK, the WamiRack has Midi I/O plus SMPTE I/O. In Cubase, to send SMPTE, it simply internally makes an audio track inside Cubase with pure time code. I assign that track to an analog output on the MOTU2408 and feed that analog into the SMPTE input on the Wami. Inside Acid 2.0, you have the choice of chasing MTC from either any of the midi I/O, or from the SMPTE input. This capability is written into the Wami drivers (very nice). If I have Acid chase to straight MTC from Cubase, it constantly falls out of sync, chokes, stops, farts, etc... If I lock Acid to the SMPTE source, it runs for hrs. without touching it. This is extremely powerful as you can run Acid, audition loops, in tempo, as it's running chasing Cubase. My gripe is, even though this is operational, it's FAR from ideal. As Acid can only chase frame accurate (best case scenerio). Lately I've upgraded to Recycle2 and use loops inside Reason and using Native Instruments Battery for Drum programming. It's amazing how tight the timing is. Pure sample accurate LOVE!!! I'm speaking to several software VSTi developers about an Acid type VSTi that will have sample accurate sync, realtime loop audition in tempo, and .wav, .aiff or .rx2 import capabilities. First co. to the block with this will have a HIT on their hands..... HTH

dp (dongle protected)

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: aress

Date:6/17/2001 1:14:07 PM

Nice workaround! can you make it a little more complex please? ;-)

this only shows that acid & vegas are still not in the ballpark with other software. great, now we can cut to video, but try and sync it, terrible.

vegas and acid3 are great, but NOT PRO.

Subject:RE: Why has SF decided to cater to non-professionals???

Reply by: DongleProtected

Date:6/20/2001 11:24:39 AM

I couldn't agree with you more! Which is why I started this discussion in the first place. Also, hoping SF would actually listen and note one users needs....

dp