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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Posted by: risce1
Date:11/16/2010 6:19:54 PM
you are doing a project with a trial ? uhh, well.. hmm, Sony Vegas will probaby come up with the evinrude to compete with the mercury |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Joe White
Date:11/16/2010 6:21:18 PM
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Myerz
Date:11/16/2010 6:28:15 PM
I'll still have my Sony Vegas 9....geeeez. Sorry for my impatience.... you all must be running x386..or something.... with kind of an attitude. Good-o'l diehards... how that DOS treating you.... |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: risce1
Date:11/16/2010 6:30:50 PM
9 is going to do you a lot of good when the client makes changes on day 28... no attitude here just not stupid |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: ushere
Date:11/16/2010 6:34:45 PM
evinrude? when scs releasing it? btw. from what i gather, it's a swing door - once you find what's on the other side you might very well come back through it.... |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Myerz
Date:11/16/2010 6:40:52 PM
----btw. from what i gather, it's a swing door - once you find what's on the other side you might very well come back through it.... You may be right.... and that's ok. Too many people here have thier idientity wrapped up in the apps they use. I'm just looking to get things done quicker.... no apologies there. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: rs170a
Date:11/16/2010 7:40:43 PM
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: ushere
Date:11/16/2010 8:22:50 PM
well some renders feels like vegas is using a pair of oars....... then again, another nle i used felt like it was using a punt, and another as if it was a paddle.... and i've run out of..... |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Alf Hanna
Date:11/16/2010 8:39:52 PM
Myerz, please go over the bridge and let us know whether the grass is greener on the other side. My experience using both FCP and Vegas has led me to keep coming back to Vegas. Rendering, transcoding and preview all work great in 10 for me on W7. No herky jerky AVCHD. So not sure what you are experiencing, but transcoding is hours faster on Windows 7 with Neoscene for example. Same footage, hours faster. And I have a 'state of the art" Mac as well as a half the cores and less RAM on my Windows box. So go figure. My experience with other Adobe products are that they are overly complex and poorly integrated. But if you find that Adobe is *vastly* better, then it's worth a try. That's why I use Windows, lots of choices. But there's a lot to like with the MacOS. It's just quite a bit more expensive. I've not seen a real one up comparison of Vegas vs. Adobe. Would be worth a read if someone does it. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: MTuggy
Date:11/16/2010 9:44:39 PM
Last week I had the chance to see several experience FCP pros at work and was totally underwhelmed by FCP. Talk about cumbersome and clumsy in actually editing. Sure, he whole ProRes things might be nice but frankly for most projects I do, I just didn't see much in the way of significant benefit to it. My experience in Premier has been limited but similar. Anyway, I just sat back and drove them nuts saying "can't you just click and drag to do that?" :) Mike |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: PerroneFord
Date:11/16/2010 10:45:04 PM
Don't kid yourself. Vegas, like an NLE does some things very very well. And it does some things so poorly, you question why you bother. I have not used CS5, and I have not used VPro 10. I made my evaluations around this time last year when neither was available. Very happy with my choice. If I have something quick and dirty to knock out, I'll load up Vegas and do it. A quick test video, 30 seconds of something going to the web, etc. But for anything over a finished 5 minutes, Vegas rarely get's the nod any more. And with Lightworks about to ship, that may become my quick editor instead. There's a lot to like in Vegas. Many like the interface. The speed of which you can get some things done is incredible. It's easy to learn if you don't come from an editing / film background. Lots of very cool innovations. But right now, I am in the middle of a editing a film. 17 days worth of XDCamEX footage. Paring that down to 20-30 minutes. I honestly shudder to think what managing that would be like in Vegas. I know there are VERY few people here who cut projects this size, and that's cool. But trust me, other NLEs earn their keep when this is a common project size and type. When SCS gets around to that re-write, I'll be very curious to see what they come up with. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: kairosmatt
Date:11/17/2010 5:15:20 AM
As an E-TEC owner I hope they come up with something better than Evinrude! kairosmatt |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: farss
Date:11/17/2010 5:37:59 AM
"Is Lightworks really a NLE?" Sure is, from Editshare. Seems to be one of the oldest. Never heard of it myself until it came up here recently. It sure looks very, very impressive. I can see broadcasters lapping it up and hey they've even got a physical office down here. Bob. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: logiquem
Date:11/17/2010 6:36:13 AM
"for anything over a finished 5 minutes, Vegas rarely get's the nod any more" I'm not sure i get you on this. I have done numerous long projects in Vegas. Like a 3 hours DVD developpemental educationnal project with about 3000 video clips..., Many 30 to 45 min. documentaries, etc. with *very, very* few problems in 10 years. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Marc S
Date:11/17/2010 8:27:32 AM
I recently worked on a project with about 2500 clips. I found it very difficult to get it done when using thumbnail view in the project media folder. Every time I scrolled a folder each clip had to redraw itself over and over. Second I had certain thumbnails flashing like crazy. I tried this first with AVCHD and then with everything converted to Cineform. Cineform was better but not by much. I finally installed Media Manager which solved the redraw and flashing problem but eventually my whole system went crazy to point of not being able to open projects in Vegas. I had to uninstall everything related to Media manager and Vegas and the just install Vegas without Media Manager to get things going again. I'm getting ready to work on another big project and unfortunately I will be looking at Premiere as a possible solution. Marc |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Guy S.
Date:11/17/2010 12:40:59 PM
<<If not, I'm going to... move over to Adobe>> I feel your pain, but I'd try a trial version of CS5 before investing. I think that PP has come a long way since I stopped using it, but I'm still a little skeptical about its workflow and usability. You'll need to purchase a supported graphics card to take advantage of the MPE, but whatever you buy will also provide accelerated rendering in Vegas 10. Also, keep in mind that Sony and Adobe both utilize the GPU, but in different ways: Adobe for timeline playback (but not rendering), and Sony for rendering (but not timeline playback). Also keep in mind that Vegas' timeline performance is highly dependent on the type of video file, and converting to a more Vegas-friendly file format can greatly improve editing performance. My Panasonic 720p AVCHD files, for example, can only achieve full framerate playback at Preview 1/2, whereas 1080p AVCHD files from a Sony A55 HD DSLR playback at their full framerate at the Best Full setting. Again, I suggest downloading the trial version of CS5 first to make sure that you can live with its interface and workflow. Guy |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: PerroneFord
Date:11/17/2010 1:12:19 PM
"You'll need to purchase a supported graphics card to take advantage of the MPE, but whatever you buy will also provide accelerated rendering in Vegas 10" The problem with this statement, is that Vegas ONLY utilizes the card for rendering in A SINGLE FORMAT. Our of the literally hundreds of formats that can be utilized, it only works for one. That is a massive limitation. Where I really want that speed-up is when I am trying to get a finished master. Not when I am prepping for a web video, or prepping for BluRay. There's no rush by that point. When I am trying to get a project in the can, timeline performance, and preview performance is crucial. Especially, with a client over my shoulder. Heck, I can render my BluRay version overnight if need be. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: PerroneFord
Date:11/17/2010 4:29:29 PM
No polls. But I've resigned myself to the fact that I think about editing differently than most of the Vegas editors I speak to. So I am sure I'd be on the minority side of most polls here. No problem. Everyone likes to work differently and I respect that. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Gillissie
Date:11/18/2010 12:28:02 AM
I upgraded to CS5 mainly to use Premiere's CUDA stuff. It works pretty well, but it doesn't make Premiere's interface and workflow any better. I'm not one of those fanboys of either one, I just like to use the best tool for the job. So far, Vegas allows me to get more done in a shorter amount of time than Premiere, even without CUDA support. However, it does piss me off that Sony decided that 3D support is more important than CUDA. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against 3D, but if you look at how many people will benefit from 3D features compared to how many people will benefit from performance features, performance wins hands down. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: John_Cline
Date:11/18/2010 1:23:17 AM
Meyrz, you sure do complain a LOT. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: amendegw
Date:11/18/2010 2:44:58 AM
@Myerz: "The playback timeline performance is where we need the acceleration, not so much the rendering. ...We should start a poll." @John Cline: "Meyrz, you sure do complain a LOT." Hmmm... Deja Vu! Myerz, you don't need a poll - just do a forum search on Author:LarsHD *grin* ...Jerry Edit: Interesting, I just searched "LarsHD" and it looks like, before he left, he edited most of his postings and replaced them with a single "." Message last edited on11/18/2010 3:12:53 AM byamendegw. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Guy S.
Date:11/19/2010 2:18:28 PM
<Meyrz, you sure do complain a LOT. > I'm the in-house producer for a manufacturing company, and over the past 13 years I've experienced first hand how customer complaints can and do drive product development. Engineers, marketing folks, and product managers do their best to predict what their target market wants. But we also tend to live in the land of "No news is good news", so hearing a strong opinion, even if momentarily unpleasant, can ultimately be beneficial for all parties. Guy |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: PerroneFord
Date:11/19/2010 2:45:31 PM
True, but only if you WANT to hear them. Honestly, I think SCS has been listening, and are to be commended for that. I shudder to think what those guys could with with $10M in research and staff money. |
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Subject:RE: Vegas Pro 10 and Premiere CS5
Reply by: Guy S.
Date:11/19/2010 3:23:08 PM
<I shudder to think what those guys could with with $10M in research and staff money> Maybe we could take up a collection? |