Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses) -ACID Product Family

Subject:Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses) Posted by: Architekt Date:12/31/2001 7:05:12 PM I've got an Athlon 1.33GHz machine, 512MB RAM, an SB Live value for playback and an Echo Mia for recording. I've got a track with 10 buses, not including master, all including effects chains. There are 2 weird things I see that strike me as bugs: 1. The last bus, bus J sometimes works. The first time I load my project and hit play, when it encounters an increasing volume assign to bus J, it completely ignores it unless I hit stop/pause and replay it. This happens every time I load the project. 2. The sound I hear Acid playing doesn't get rendered in that way. Most notably, the bass levels come out WAY low. No, there are no compressors built into it. And 2 of the other sounds on 2 different buses come out a little louder than I had set it. Whatever the case, it's distinctly different (and crappier) as compared to what I hear Acid playing back. This is the first time I've ever noticed this. Every other time I've worked with way less buses, as in 5 or less, and each time, what I heard is what I got. Is this just a capability limitation due to having so many buses and effects?? I wouldn't think that'd effect the resulting wave render though...
Subject:RE: Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses) Reply by: Iacobus Date:1/1/2002 12:33:37 PM 1. Try using your Mia for playback? From my experience, the SB Live! wasn't that great a card for ACID Pro especially. The Mia is much better, IMHO. 2. Did you download the latest build of ACID Pro (3.0e)? I remember the first release of ACID Pro 3, which used to render my projects way lower in volume than the original projects. I haven't had any problems since the later builds. Remember to always contact tech support directly, especially if you find what you think is a bug. Iacobus
Subject:RE: Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses) Reply by: Rockitglider Date:1/1/2002 11:21:14 PM Hello, I also responded to another of you're posts, But when you use two cards like that the Acid program can handle the cards OK but during playback Windows might handle them differently, Also on your track bus volume sliders, right click the slider and you can select Pre or Post volume and this might solve some of the rendering problems, it will keep sound from bleeding through effect busses to other tracks. Rockit
Subject:RE: Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses) Reply by: pwppch Date:1/2/2002 10:03:32 PM I've got a track with 10 buses, not including master, all including effects chains. There are 2 weird things I see that strike me as bugs: > Not sure what you mean by "I've got a track with 10 buses.."? are you saying that you have a single audio track in ACID that is routed to 10 buses using the main track as well as the Aux send busses? > 2. The sound I hear Acid playing doesn't get rendered in that way. Most notably, the bass levels come out WAY low. No, there are no compressors built into it. And 2 of the other sounds on 2 different buses come out a little louder than I had set it. Whatever the case, it's distinctly different (and crappier) as compared to what I hear Acid playing back. > How are you busses setup? Are they routed to the Master bus or directly to hardware? If the latter is true - routed directly to hardware - then the mixed wave will sound differently. Why? Because the gain stage for a bus routed directly to hardware cannot be accounted for when mixing multiple busses down to a stereo file. If you are hearing differences in the dynamics or EQ of the rendered file, then something is wrong externally to ACID. When ACID renders, it renders EXACTLY the same way as when it is playing back. The singal/code path is the same - with the exception mentioned about busses routed directly to hardware vs the Master bus. > This is the first time I've ever noticed this. Every other time I've worked with way less buses, as in 5 or less, and each time, what I heard is what I got. Is this just a capability limitation due to having so many buses and effects?? I wouldn't think that'd effect the resulting wave render though... > The number of busses has no effect on this. You mention in another forum post that you just upgraded to 3.0e. Did this problem occur with prior versions of ACID 3.0? Peter

Subject:Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses)

Posted by: Architekt

Date:12/31/2001 7:05:12 PM

I've got an Athlon 1.33GHz machine, 512MB RAM, an SB Live value for playback and an Echo Mia for recording. I've got a track with 10 buses, not including master, all including effects chains. There are 2 weird things I see that strike me as bugs:

1. The last bus, bus J sometimes works. The first time I load my project and hit play, when it encounters an increasing volume assign to bus J, it completely ignores it unless I hit stop/pause and replay it. This happens every time I load the project.

2. The sound I hear Acid playing doesn't get rendered in that way. Most notably, the bass levels come out WAY low. No, there are no compressors built into it. And 2 of the other sounds on 2 different buses come out a little louder than I had set it. Whatever the case, it's distinctly different (and crappier) as compared to what I hear Acid playing back.

This is the first time I've ever noticed this. Every other time I've worked with way less buses, as in 5 or less, and each time, what I heard is what I got. Is this just a capability limitation due to having so many buses and effects?? I wouldn't think that'd effect the resulting wave render though...

Subject:RE: Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses)

Reply by: Iacobus

Date:1/1/2002 12:33:37 PM

1. Try using your Mia for playback? From my experience, the SB Live! wasn't that great a card for ACID Pro especially. The Mia is much better, IMHO.

2. Did you download the latest build of ACID Pro (3.0e)? I remember the first release of ACID Pro 3, which used to render my projects way lower in volume than the original projects. I haven't had any problems since the later builds.

Remember to always contact tech support directly, especially if you find what you think is a bug.

Iacobus

Subject:RE: Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses)

Reply by: Rockitglider

Date:1/1/2002 11:21:14 PM

Hello,
I also responded to another of you're posts, But when you use two cards like that the Acid program can handle the cards OK but during playback Windows might handle them differently, Also on your track bus volume sliders, right click the slider and you can select Pre or Post volume and this might solve some of the rendering problems, it will keep sound from bleeding through effect busses to other tracks.

Rockit

Subject:RE: Acid not rendering what I hear (10+ buses)

Reply by: pwppch

Date:1/2/2002 10:03:32 PM

I've got a track with 10 buses, not including master, all including effects chains. There are 2 weird things I see that strike me as bugs:
>
Not sure what you mean by

"I've got a track with 10 buses.."?

are you saying that you have a single audio track in ACID that is routed to 10 buses using the main track as well as the Aux send busses?

>
2. The sound I hear Acid playing doesn't get rendered in that way. Most notably, the bass levels come out WAY low. No, there are no compressors built into it. And 2 of the other sounds on 2 different buses come out a little louder than I had set it. Whatever the case, it's distinctly different (and crappier) as compared to what I hear Acid playing back.
>
How are you busses setup? Are they routed to the Master bus or directly to hardware?

If the latter is true - routed directly to hardware - then the mixed wave will sound differently. Why? Because the gain stage for a bus routed directly to hardware cannot be accounted for when mixing multiple busses down to a stereo file.

If you are hearing differences in the dynamics or EQ of the rendered file, then something is wrong externally to ACID. When ACID renders, it renders EXACTLY the same way as when it is playing back. The singal/code path is the same - with the exception mentioned about busses routed directly to hardware vs the Master bus.

>
This is the first time I've ever noticed this. Every other time I've worked with way less buses, as in 5 or less, and each time, what I heard is what I got. Is this just a capability limitation due to having so many buses and effects?? I wouldn't think that'd effect the resulting wave render though...
>
The number of busses has no effect on this.

You mention in another forum post that you just upgraded to 3.0e. Did this problem occur with prior versions of ACID 3.0?

Peter